for those in the Yahoo fantasy league, please note the pending trade between Thrasher's team and Willies team.
I'm sorry but that is incredibly lopsided and should be blocked. Please vote against it. The #1 and #10 player in the league based on rank being dealt for four ok but not great players? Andrew has it right - it hands Willie the league. Willie I don't blame you for taking advantage but this should never have been offered.. NOBODY trades Ovechkin in any league.
I realize Thrasher posted a "goes for best offer" post but if he is disbanding his team that's not a fair way to do it.
It's not about "I have a better trade and want to offer it" or "no fair Willie gets Ovie"... it's just so ridiculously one-sided and is more about someone who doesn't want to be in the league who is dumping players than one guy trying to make his team better.
Posted on 10/22 8:51 AM | IP: 24.114.255.83
I didn't even get a chance to make an offer. Hell yeah, i vote against it too.
Posted on 10/22 12:23 PM | IP: 98.77.176.121
Although I think it is a disaster, he has the right to make the trade.
I offered Hossa, Lucic, Kreijci and someone, and then Kreijci Heatly, so I tried.
I'm just giving you shite Thrash. Don't agree with the deal, but you have very right to make the trade.
Does anyone have Tony Harding's number?
Posted on 10/22 2:28 PM | IP: 24.6.156.174
Yer full of it IanD. You can't run a message board. This place was dead until I came back and you will kill it again. It wouldn't matter if I stayed or not.
And now you presume to know I don't want to be in the fantasy league? Because I no longer want any part of your little board here?
Yer so full of it I can smell it on the West Coast.
Posted on 10/22 2:40 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
I can't say that I'm not disappointed. Thrasher wanted some depth and I felt I could afford to sacrifice some. He is one of the most active GM's in the league so far, he is clearly not disbanding his team, he just felt this was the direction he wanted to go in. Thrasher has turned over half his roster since the draft, he clearly feels he needs the depth more than one top player.
And calling Kopitar the #10 player in the league is a bit off the mark. He has started hot, but there is no way he keeps up the pace and is definitely a weaker player than Staal, who is far more than an 'ok' player. His +/- is an anchor in a head to head league.
In the end, I'm just disappointed that you guys aren't letting us make a move that was fairly agreed upon. I'll willingly send you the negotiation emails if you wanted them. Thrasher has the right to run his team however he wants, and this trade in no way means he is throwing in the towel as you seem to think.
Posted on 10/22 2:48 PM | IP: 69.196.186.199
I didn't realize that the trade had been vetoed. I don't think that is right.
Posted on 10/22 3:31 PM | IP: 24.6.156.174
Trash,
why did you bail on the board?
Posted on 10/22 3:32 PM | IP: 24.6.156.174
Two posters I really don't want anything to do with. As long as they're around I don't think the board will get back to what it was. IanD ran with ScottyBowman/BobProbert until the board was virtually dead. These two aren't much different. I can only assume that's what he wants. That's his speed.
I post other places where there is no cussing for the sake of cussing and there's no name calling. There are no long threads about posting about every other week. There's no jumping through people's hoops and assuaging egos.
Last summer, Shakes & I went back and forth on the Leafs for about a week or so. It got passionate. But it wasn't disrespectful at all. The shots we took at each other were funny. Those chats are the exception not the rule though.
Guys here who have had some cool opportunities share that and there's always some wienie accusing that guy of a big ego. Believe me, nobody who has had a cool experience shares to brag. But those who've never had much will never know. To them it's bragging.
Ten years ago this was the best message board. That's just not true anymore. There's plenty of great hockey chat available.
Finally I don't want the taste and the memory to sour again. When I quit playing beer league hockey I finished 15th in league pts and my team lost in the finals. That was the time for me to step away from competitive play. Had I gone back for another year, I might have fallen out of the Top 20.
This feels like the right time. The board was dead. It's back a bit and you guys can keep it going if you want. I just don't have the tolerance and patience for jerks. Especially when I don't have to put up with it other places. Just here.
Posted on 10/22 7:28 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
me personally I think your over reacting and you were trying to hard. Yes Im aware of what transpired and without saying any more I picked up on the same things you did. I think you were in part looking for an excuse to leave, maybe even before the last week or so. Maybe you wanted to leave from past annoyances, maybe because you felt like you were carrying the board for weeks on end which takes creativity and time with a lack of appreciation... (which by the way you were carrying a large percentage of the topics which is cool...but it was not cool of you to say you saved the board to Ian) In that one statement you paint yourself as being a aging old fart who wants to take his marbles and go home........instead of being the poster I know who is cool, intelligent, caring, person who was able to be both old and hip at the same time (which is a rarity).
Well I will miss you........take care, have some fun, kiss hockey mom, kick the feet up, and when you feel like coming back to talk some cyber suds (~) will be waiting. We both know you will not leave for good, but perhaps will not post as often. ;)
Posted on 10/22 8:20 PM | IP: 64.231.213.113
Shakes if you're going to quote me do it correctly. I posted, "This board was dead until I came back." I didn't post "I saved the board." and yer very wrong about "taking my marbles and going home." It's about trolling, name calling, attempted thread hijacking and getting jack for backup by the moderator.
IanD wanted and encouraged trash posts until it killed his board. He's showing his true colors again by not doing anything about trolling, name calling and attempted thread hijacking. If IanD wants the Probert's the peroni's and the upyour's that's what he should run with and make no apologies for it.
Call it what you want Shakes. I'm past caring.
This post was edited on 10/22 9:38 PM by Thrasher
Posted on 10/22 9:27 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
Man, you really are in love with yourself........aren't ya? This place was dead until i came back..... wow, what a quote.
Coming from a guy who participates in message boards out of a very desperate attempt to somewhere, some place be "one of the guys" because he isn't in the real time, I'll give that all the consideration it's worth.
go ahead peroni, gimme another laugh. Like the one you gave me when you picked up the phrase "honest player" from a couple of my posts and then used it out of context in your own.
You didn't have to post that you'd never been in a room in your life peroni. I wouldn't have believed it if said you had. There's just too much stuff you totally don't get that is learned in the room or at some point in your life by being part of something.
And you say, I have an ego problem? LMAO. The good news is I can fix that if and when it becomes a problem. But peroni, you'll always be a lonely little man.
Posted on 10/22 11:20 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
During the Kings/Stars game, Jim Fox described rookie Jamie Benn's foot work as "slash skating." What was Foxy talking about? DOH, don't ya just hate it when yer called out for the know nuthin' jerk you are?
Now total honesty, I wasn't sure I'd heard it before but the difference is I knew exactly what he was talking about. Meanwhile, yer off to google, lol.
I gotta be up in 6.5 hours. Goodnight.
Posted on 10/22 11:38 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
Does upyours equal upice?
Posted on 10/23 5:30 AM | IP: 63.166.247.24
Why? its part of the way the thing works. It was everyone's choice to do that and in fact it had happened before I even posted what I did.
Clearly several owners were of the feeling that the deal was very lopsided and gave Willie a massively unfair advantage.
Posted on 10/23 6:20 AM | IP: 24.114.255.83
Kopitar is ranked #10 in the league. I didn't just make up the number.
Posted on 10/23 6:21 AM | IP: 24.114.255.83
You are acting like a first class asshole. Whatever you think of me is fine but you just lowered yourself into the ranks of those who pissed all over this place.
I can't help but point out a stupid trade when I see one and yours was about the worst I've ever seen. You can pin it all on me if you want but numerous members of the pool rejected it for it to be vetoed...
Enjoy riding around on your high horse if it makes you feel better and thanks for taking a large crap on the board on your way out. Again, true colors shown.
This post was edited on 10/23 6:25 AM by Ian D
This post was edited on 10/23 7:33 AM by Ian D
Posted on 10/23 6:24 AM | IP: 24.114.255.83
Sorry I thought about my intial comments after and I know I stated it incorrectly....(sorry about that) Your right you did not say you saved the board. Perhaps I was thinking that you did save/help the board in a lot of ways and I got the context mixed up. Again my apologies.....
I knew exactly what you were NOT talking about in your initial post. Which was just as you stated it......hijacking, trolling, and name calling. I feel your anger and your loss of caring as it rings very clear to me. You were making a concience effort to make a post about the NHL almost every day. A lot of the topics you picked were not necessarily about the team you cared for, they were topics that you thought would stimulate some conversation. FYI your posts on the Yotes were fantastic by the way.....You were truly in your element in that topic of conversation and I personally could not hold a candle to you. Point being is you were trying.......try as you may some threads would be hijacked, trolled, and the conversations got personal. In fact as your aware I just made a post about that topic last week? I would have made a point of making a post about it sooner Thrash but my "hockey mom" passed away and I was not around. I went to get caught up and seen the mess that took place while I was gone so I made a point of making a post about being respectful of other posters. I did not aim that post at anyone as I believe that EVERYONE in some shape of form is guilty of something sooner or later......including myself more often then not.
I guess I could try and convince you to stick around but I dont think it would get me anywhere.......I do not know why you cannot get past the posters comments your having problems with. It is not that bad and not near as bad as it has been. Me personally I think you will loose out on all the good posters comments as they by far and away out number the bad comments......remember that and Take care!
Posted on 10/23 6:27 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
I believe it does Upice......but I also believe that you know the answer to that question as well and did not need to ask the question.
I believe your hyprocritical comment + other hit and run posts you made have annoyed. I dont know what else to add to that.
Posted on 10/23 6:36 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Ah come on Ian there is no way that Thrash lowered himself to those that were total jerks. I personally think your seeing a poster whose feelings have been hurt and finally said guess what I dont care anymore....Look back over the last 5-6 months of posting and you will see a lot of posts by Thrasher where he talked about topics around the NHL, not just the Ducks talk either but other things of interest to the board in general. This was a poster that was trying to make this board a better place. Let's not forget that......Im pretty sure I can get over the bad comment he made recently as your getting that comment from someone that feels betrayed and hurt. (rightfully so or not)
Me personally I think the following: Thrasher did try (spent numerous hours making posts about all sorts of topics) He did seem a little thin skinned recently and was set off by minor things. This means he was holding these feelings in for a long period of time. I personally think it started with Peroni. Thrasher clearly told him he was no longer talking to him but Peroni would consistantly still respond to Thrashers posts. (I dont care who was right or wrong in that arguement but if someone tells you Im no longer speaking to you guess what have the respect to let them go there own way)
Posted on 10/23 6:56 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
I hate to say it Peroni but it was dead......until Thrasher made a consistant effort to make a post almost every single solitary day...Most of the topics I do not think he cared about but he was trying. Look at the number of posts he has made over the last 6 months....I guess it is very easy for you to look past this fact.
You on the other hand dogged him inspite of his request to no longer communicate with him. When someone says "Im no longer responding to you so do not respond to any of my posts" then most people would say okay I will not respond to him.......But oh no you dogged him and dogged him and dogged him......Hello Wall!
Posted on 10/23 7:03 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Sorry to see you go Thrasher...
All I ask is that you never say never...
I'm heading down to Anneheim in March during the Ducks home stand, if your up to it we should take in a game together...
Take care...
Posted on 10/23 7:06 AM | IP: 99.199.174.104
this post has been deleted by me.....
For the record I defended Peroni and attacked Thrasher for saying that he has never been in the room. I have thought about this post some more and was not happy with the way it came out. dead issue.
This post was edited on 10/23 2:00 PM by Shakes
Posted on 10/23 7:20 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
He's felt the need to react to his hurt feelings by basically ripping into anything and everything he can get his hands on (especially me) and sadly, behavior like that usually is like a big "undo button" to all the good things you have done before.
Its one thing to not like what is going on, its one thing to not be happy and not like it anymore, but its a whole other thing that instead of just leaving you break all the windows and set the furniture on fire on your way out the door.
Posted on 10/23 7:32 AM | IP: 24.114.255.83
I know......and Im glad you recognize it for what it is. If I were you I would not take anything personally. In ripping the furniture apart and breaking the windows it shows that he did truely care. I think that is the thing to remember.
With regards to your hockey pool I believe you should have a qualified person/people outside of the draft review the proposed trade to determine as an independent group outside of the draft if the proposed trade is still within the "spirit" of putting together a winning team or it is as you suggested a person cashing his chips in and wrecking the pool that you guys have set up.... That is my thoughts on that subject. The reason I say this is that Willie and Thrasher both seem set that they had a deal in place to help both of there clubs, the opposing side seems set on it being a dismantling of a team. You would never see other NHL teams voting on a deal between the Leafs and the Bruins for example as feelings get in the way of objectivity. I would suggest you go outside your pool for answers on this one. Secondly I would suggest to Thrasher that if he is wrecking his team and that is truely his trying to wreck your draft that he considers having someone else volunteer to take over his team as an interim GM of sorts. (just my two cents) as I believe that you will have nothing but ill feelings on this unless it is resolved either way.
Posted on 10/23 8:05 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Replied with no biggies until this post where he unfairly took a shot at Ian. And, i even offered truce.
There is no reason for him to put himself higher than others, and he did.
Posted on 10/23 8:08 AM | IP: 74.233.202.220
Thrasher -
Sorry to see you go but understand your position. I wish you the best man....
Posted on 10/23 8:30 AM | IP: 192.146.217.50
I think the point Peroni is that you replied to Thrasher on multiple threads directly to him inspite of knowing that he asked you not to......I do not think of any ill will towards you for responding to Thrasher when he clearly asked you not to. But at the same time I can see why it irritated Thrasher. Was it the reason why he decided to stop caring? No it was not.....I think it was multiple reasons. One of the main being that there is only limited Duck fans here. Nothing like making up a post that clearly took an about an hour to do and then get one response calling you a name.
I think your excused on this thread for replying and you had every right to defend Ian....
Posted on 10/23 8:49 AM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Hit and run comments a little too dramatic, did you ever think Thrash may have said some things that people might didn't like, by the way anybody can post anywhere on any board unless he is blocked off....now it's time to run. Keep the drama in California.
Posted on 10/23 12:06 PM | IP: 66.25.43.170
I know for a fact Thrash said some comments that people didn't like... Im not overly fond of him calling you Junior and I think I said something about it..Sometimes he irritated me for gawds sakes, but I dont hold any grudges. Anybody can post anywhere they want to you right..........But that said Peroni has been posting here a long long time and even he knows that sometimes people need space. I hold Peroni to a higher standards then I do you as I have known him a lot longer. That is no slight on you just the way I think about it. I also know that Peroni can take a pounding and still find a way to get back up off of the mat and find a way to be cheerful about it. Actually he is a nice guy when all is said and done and he really does not mean any harm to anyone, I think Thrash takes him the wrong way is all.
To be honest with you Upice I have not figured you out as yet. You have managed to tick a lot of people off in short notice and some of the darts thrown were either blind luck or by design........
Posted on 10/23 12:21 PM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Oh wow rikster I would love that. bradthrasher@hotmail.com. Let's set it up.
Guys, I'm sorry. I'm an emotional kinda guy. Is that another way of sayin' "a-hole" Ian? Why don't you ask Sir Rodney or Shakes to help with the moderator side. They are the most ah mature almost grown up among us. If not there's I know other guys who have offered to help you. It doesn't all have to fall on you.
I really don't have any more time for hockey today. Freakin' court clerk bounced a request for entry of default judgment.
Posted on 10/23 12:44 PM | IP: 75.128.51.39
Shakes I didn't tick anybody off I have an opinion and stuck to my guns, I don't like people telling me how to think and a few people have, if that be the case we wouldn't need message boards. But I used to be on this board a long time ago as Iowa Hockey and went a few rounds with Scotty Bowman. The site became a written wrestling match so I left but in reality I made Bowman look like fool on the board while posting and having the last laugh when He got kicked off. I don't have anything against anyone here but at the same time I don't have the same opinion nor watch hockey the same way as everyone else.
This post was edited on 10/23 1:08 PM by upice
Posted on 10/23 1:02 PM | IP: 66.25.43.170
Upice -
To be honest, while not a big Gretzky fan myself (though I greatly respect the guy), your comments and innuendos with respect to Wayne have grated on several people. There are people on this board that actually know him; unlike most other boards. I believe that furthermore the things that you have implied (not actually said) are in direct conflict with some of the actions that people have had with Mr. Gretzky in person.
As such I dont think you can say you didn't tick anybody off...
Posted on 10/23 1:16 PM | IP: 192.146.217.50
There is absolutely nothing wrong with having your own opinion Upice. In fact I think your a pretty smart hockey person and I do not say that lightly. I just knew that you had been around a lot longer then you were letting on. Just remember that you were welcomed to the board in open arms by Thrasher and you had an opportunity then to say well I used to be Iowa Hockey at the start. That would explain how you were able to know more about the board then I thought you should have been able to know early on. Im glad you chose to come out of closet and tell us your background. The reason why Im glad you told us is because a part of me knew you had been around a lot longer then you were letting on and secondly I feared you were actually Probert/Bowman in disguise. Sounds funny now but in my mind you came on shortly after he left under a new name and knew a lot about how things worked and you did push a few buttons.......that I still have not figured out if they were by accident or design. At least this allows me to give you the benefit of the doubt for what it is worth.
Posted on 10/23 1:18 PM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Nice try I am not unarmed and WAYNE is not a coach, too bad. My negative opinion was one of indirection, where ever he has been something has turned sour after his departure, I didn't accuse him of anything. He was a great player but not bigger than the game. Gordie Howe and Bobby Orr had to fight for their goals, Wayne had somebody else do it, every time somebody touched him he was crying to the refs. By the way I met Gretz but never knew him personally.
Posted on 10/23 1:24 PM | IP: 66.25.43.170
Upice and myself are cool......no worries on my part Sharkie. You know I just had a tear the other day looking at my mom (who passed away recently----- sitting arm and arm with Phylis who passed away some years ago) They both looked so young and they were both such proud hockey mom's.
Posted on 10/23 1:24 PM | IP: 76.75.95.232
Shakes if that is your opinion of me fine, I'm not a hurt little kid, I'm a grown man and I am not Scotty Bowman. Like I said I dont think Ian OR Thrash should leave BUT if you dish it out you better take and I would rather take it, it's more fun.
Posted on 10/23 1:31 PM | IP: 66.25.43.170
I hate to say it but a lot of the games great players had enforcers to protect them. Orr had O'rielly, Howe did not need anyone and is the exception and not the rule. Lafluer had Robinson amoung many. I cant remember who Dion had.......oh well enough of Gretzky talk this thread is not related to this conversation.
Posted on 10/23 1:37 PM | IP: 64.231.213.113
Im glad your feelings are not hurt as I dont think I said anything that should hurt them. In fact I complimented you.
Posted on 10/23 1:42 PM | IP: 64.231.213.113
I do not agree that Im a mature poster....I get emotional as well and can easily be a "A-hole" but thanks anyways. I do not think any one person can fill Ian's shoes.
Posted on 10/23 1:47 PM | IP: 64.231.213.113
alllrightttyyyy then, done deal back to hockey
I hate the Flyers and I hate Buffalo and I'm starting to hate the Pens. Starting to like the Tippet Yotes, they beat Detroit and oh no hijacked thread my bad.
Posted on 10/23 2:05 PM | IP: 66.25.43.170
Hey Thrasher, I've sent you an email...
Would be fun!
Take care..
Posted on 10/23 2:35 PM | IP: 96.54.68.50
You are one classy guy.....
Posted on 10/23 2:57 PM | IP: 76.75.95.232
LOL!
Posted on 10/23 3:04 PM | IP: 76.75.95.232
You left me alone out there. Last weekend, following Shakes advice, I posted on a thread, once again very politely explaining why I wanted nothing to do with upice or peroni. I asked that they simply not hit the reply button on anything I post. I told them that my not appreciating them didn't make them wrong just that we were oil and water. I didn't get all "stay off my threads" garbage. Just hey don't hit the reply button on my posts please.
That post took longer to write than any post I've made in past 5-6 months. I even asked Retired Hockey Mom to read it for anything offensive and it passed her test. And yeah I said please.
So I come back and wham you took that thread down. Not only do you not enforce the rules, when somebody gets proactive in a good way you remove it.
No Ian, you want to say I'm crapping on the board that's okay. Yer wrong though. I'm crapping on you. You have the nerve to presume I'm intentionally trashing my team and getting to ready to leave the Fantasy League? Where do you get that from? A voice in your head?
Willie tells me it only takes 2 GM's to veto a trade. That would be who, you and peroni? Two other guys reconsidered. Like I said before, guys like peroni & scotty are your speed. You should have never banned Scotty. Just stand up for freakin' once in your life and admit that's what yer about. No shame in being what you are man.
There is shame in running back home and lobbying guys to veto a trade happening on another board. Especially when one of the principals isn't on your board. But it's okay Ian, you don't need ethics. You don't need to be a stand up guy. You've got the Bible and the forever forgiven thing workin' for ya. Just one thing, the voice in your head? It isn't God. It's a medical condition.
I'm not ticked that you opposed the trade. I'm livid at how you did it and how personal you made it. And it's stayin' personal until you unpersonalize it.
This post was edited on 10/23 9:47 PM by Thrasher
This post was edited on 10/24 12:07 AM by Thrasher
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